paul ryan does for all the welfare programs what clinton did, speaking of clinton. the one thing he did in the presidency rather than bringing us the republican house and senate, the other good thing he did was welfare reform. block granting welfare to the states. that's what the ryan plan does to save money. and that's how we balance the budget without raising taxes. >> but paul ryan has disavowed the ryan plan. mitt romney is not bound he says by the ryan plan. mitt romney has offered a plan that is actually has so little in that you can't even run the numbers. i mean, if you have a plan that is basically filled with empty magic asterisks you can't analyze whether this will deal with a budget deficit in the future. the independent tax policy center said in fact -- >> it's a left wing group, for crying out loud. it's a left wing group. >> -- tonight on taxes. good to see you both. thanks for your time. as the president and governor romney make their final preps, corporate america gets their chance to weigh in. >> when we come back, the former president and coo of v